Charles McNider

But yeah, the, the Cross one...

So that was Charles, the very first Dr. Midnite, um, McNider, and then the Cross guy, Pieter Cross, he was Dr. Midnite number one in '99.

But-

But-See, I never-- I didn't wanna go back and wa- [sighs] even the Justice Society stuff, listen, I like them even in the comics, but I like their appearances when they're teaching the lessons.