Charles de Lint

[laughs]

Do you two, um, do you two, and also, uh, Mark and Allen, do you guys have a preference for, say, like Tolkien fantasy, um, you know, fantasy fantasy as opposed to urban fantasy, or is it just depends on the story? You know, d- like, Charles de Lint and the, the, uh, Harry Dresden books-

I was thinking-

... that kind of thing

And this pipeline effect was happening simultaneously all across the globe.

Like over in Canada, you have Charles de Lint publishing his 1984 debut novel, The Riddle of the Wren.

Yes, and we're talking about a truly foundational text for what would become modern Celtic fantasy.

For sure.