Charismatic authority

And you can see so many people came into the church in the 60s, 70s, and 80s because it was a charismatic leader.

When you look at charismatic leaders, uh, or like, um, charismatic organizations, current charismatic movements over times, usually when the leader dies, everything dies off.

Right.

You even, I mean, even if you look like my specialty and with like counterterrorism, most of the time, these organizations die when they, when the leaders die.