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But I feel like, again, some of this social media over time has helped it all.

Back in the day, it would have been, for us in the UK, probably like a late night Channel 5, Channel 4 horror that was just on TV.

They used to put a lot of trash on TV at that time of night.

Yeah.

Which is mad that a lot of people don't realise that the thing... was a major flop

yes

like literally like made like 15 19 million or something like that is all it ever made and it was made for like 15 million yeah like a massive flop like today anyone says that like when they put that in regards of being the biggest film like that was released if you put that in terms of context so this was released the same time as E.T.

I was going to say E.T. E.T. was fucking massive huge ass you know huge box at the time the biggest box offices of all time

But my main thought was kind of media related.

It was like, what would still work? What are the best things? What are the best things to do? And also back with us, Claire McArdle, co-CEO of CMG Productions, whose Ghostwatch documentary, and I'm very excited, maybe we'll talk about this later, airs on 5 this Saturday, on Halloween, of course.

So who would you like to bring as your plus one this week? So

I am going to bring Amelia de Moldenberg, better or very well known, but also very well known for Chicken Shop Dates, which is coming to a close after 12 years.

you think that signals a bit of their direction of travel? I think so.

I think that it doesn't make a huge amount of sense for them to be setting up that studio to be making content that only works locally because the whole point of it is for them to be able to own that and exploit it.

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it's amazing and it's just proof that women are scary

I agree so thanks to Leslie Manning and also if you're in the UK you can watch on Channel 5 this Halloween they're doing a documentary about Ghostwatch so I'll be tuning into that and Michael will with his VPN

I'll

be watching a scary documentary they should make it they should make it so we think we're watching a documentary about Ghostwatch and then everything goes awry and then we find out it was filmed in the summer

That was the idea.

It would look like a live television event.

And it was picked up and they were going to air it on BBC One on Halloween at 9.25pm. And Volk Well-known BBC talent.

So the genius decision to cast existing presenters was made.

Right? So therefore their social time and main time together is at weekends.

If Mark got a job tomorrow that meant him working shift work and it meant that he only had one weekend off every 4 or 5, I don't think he'd care about his five days off in a row that was...

No.

I get that.

same difference.

It's bonkers.

So you're saying, oh, there's 500 people coming in today.

We're really, really busy.

Yeah.

Now, the trial of Harold Shipman is Channel 5 crime documentary about, obviously, Harold Shipman.

I played the barrister.

I've done quite a few things now.

It was a period drama.

I did Ackley Bridge, which is like a kids' TV show for Channel 5.

So I didn't want to do anything that was in the space of what I'd already done or what people expected me to do.

But this script was just too good to let go.

So we can point to certain motifs that make something a Cinderella story.

But the roots are old.

And it's always fun because we think we know a version of it very well, namely the Perrault version that then also very much was cemented and amplified by the Disney adaptation in 1950.

But there's so much more to be discovered.