Chandra Bhan Prasad

But go one level deeper and there's something a lot more profound.

You know, I got this insight actually not from Herb Spencer, but from Chandrabhan Prasad.

I remember I was doing, I think this might have been the first time he appeared on Ideas of India.

And we were talking about honour killings.

Obviously, they're horrific, you know, but...

The very fact that something like this can happen is, in some sense, a remarkable sign of progress that people are slowly breaking out of those shackles.

For our listeners, Chandrabhan Prasad is a great Dalit scholar.

He's come on Shruti's podcast.