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Cathy Rastle
Professor of Cognitive Psychology at Royal Holloway, University of London; expert on reading acquisition and language processing.
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Jun 21, 2026
3. Reading: Second Nature?
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Emily CarringtonHOST
Could it really be that teachers still aren't trained in the key principles of teaching children to read? Here's Cathy Rastel again.
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21:29Cathy RastleGUEST
It's interesting, you know, I often start my research papers by saying reading is the most important outcome of primary school.
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21:37Cathy RastleGUEST
but it really is, right? It's the most important thing that's going on in a primary school classroom because it sets children up for a lifetime of learning.
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21:46Cathy RastleGUEST
I feel like if I could say to any teacher, what's the most important thing? Remember, that's the most important thing.
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Emily CarringtonHOST
But it turns out that this systematic explicit approach to teaching children has not been welcomed in all classrooms, despite the mounting evidence that this is exactly what the children need.
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Tim HarfordHOST
What do we know that is more credible and more recent about Welsh primary school leavers and their ability to read?
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9:54Cathy RastleGUEST
Well, there's a very good assessment called the PISA, and it stands for Program for International Student Assessment.
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10:00Cathy RastleGUEST
Now, this is a, an assessment on reading comprehension, amongst other things, that's conducted when children are fifteen years old.
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10:08Cathy RastleGUEST
It's conducted about every three years, and around eighty nations participate.
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10:13Cathy RastleGUEST
And the thing about PISA is that it has very high technical standards, strong sampling protocols, rigorous translation processes.
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10:21Cathy RastleGUEST
And what that means is that we can compare scores from year to year over time, and we can also compare scores across nations.
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10:30Cathy RastleGUEST
What we know about Wales is that they did very poorly indeed in the twenty twenty-two exercise.