I don't really know.

There's almost like a perfect storm right now because wallets are tighter because over the last few years, at least in the States where my clients are, it's become economically there's uncertainty.

And so that trickles down and trickles up, right? And so more wallets are going to be a little bit more restrictive on what they're going to buy, and they're going to want to see more bang for their buck.

Corporately, also, there's been this huge rise in competition in the corporate world.

There's just way more competition over the last five or six years for just about anything.

when it comes to agencies or plugins or themes or whatever, there's a lot more great competition, like good products out there.

But then there's also a lot more competition to get the clients, like clients have a lot more options.

And that fear is, well, it's fear.

However, before we get into that, Cathy, I've had an introduction from you over the last few minutes, but would you mind sort of giving us your potted version of that, your shorter version, your bio, if you like? Tell us who you are and how come you're featuring on a WordPress podcast.

Well, that's a whole lot of imposter syndrome.

Why I'm featuring? 'Cause you're kind enough to have me.

I've been working with WordPress since 2007, and it was just something fun that I did to begin, much like you with podcasting.

And then, uh, couple years in, I told my friends that they'd have to start paying me or I was gonna go back to work, find a real job.

This was during my mat leave.

And so it kind of just took off from there.

I'm just concerned because I don't know what's coming, and that fear is, well, it's fear.