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Cathy Madavan

May 31, 2026

41:42
Mm.
41:43
And there's been a understandable and important recalibration over leaders and integrity and character, and the stories of disappointment in that don't need highlighting, 'cause there's plenty of them.
41:57
Um, but I think if we're not careful, we can end up assuming that anyone who's a leader is toxic, power-hungry.
42:05
Um, and, and most churches in villages and towns and cities across the country have got overworked, underpaid leaders who are just doing their best to try and love Jesus.
42:17
They went into ministry 'cause they, they love God.
42:20
Um, and they can never fulfill everyone's expectations.
42:23
They're criticized almost every day.

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61:25
[laughs] Let's pray.

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