But talk to us about how you navigate around denial in a chat.

Okay.

So first of all, let's just say a few words about the importance of denial.

If you don't believe that there is a problem, if it's a complete mistake that the lung cancer on the X-ray is actually somebody else's X-ray, isn't mine, um, or the person who, um, went into forward gear instead of reverse gear in the car park at the supermarket and caused a disaster, it was because, I don't know, I was distracted.

It isn't 'cause I'm losing my ability to drive.

Can you relate? Um, it's not really a problem, and if you don't believe that it's a problem, you don't have to do any of the emotional processing of dealing with the problem.

So it's a fantastic, uh, emotional wellness tool, denial, and if you can maintain the denial, you don't have to feel any of the distress.

I- do you have any thoughts on ways that the sandwich generation can look, can care for themselves during this?