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... that there are speakers who are veterans in this area.

So we have Leslie Josel, who is from Order Out of Chaos.

Um, she has been around for a long, long time, um, talking about time management, and she no longer owns the, the, um, c- ... planner company called Order Out of Chaos.

There are these student planners, do you know of these? That are called Order Out of Chaos.

They're great.

Um, but she started this company years ago, um, of student planners.

Yeah.

How did the teaching come into what you're doing now and kind of channel what your focus was?

Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.

I didn't sort of make the plan early on that this was sort of the trajectory of my career, but I taught for 14 years.

I took a little time off when my kids were young.

And one of the things I think that was really integral in this sort of switch or change to having my own coaching practice is a conversation that I had with a friend.

This is after I had been in the classroom, but who was a school psychologist.

And she had recently kind of gone back to work also after being home with her kids.

I was recently at my

You and I are

going to come up with a new image.

I like it.

Absolutely.

You know, I was a teacher for a really long time.

So I come to this work from the teacher angle.

So I taught middle and high school for 14 years.

What is something that parents can do to sort of work on this for themselves and also support their kids?