So is that, so the balance of this relationship and this partnership is it, obviously you're both creatives, but like, you're dreaming and Carol, you have to kind of figure out how do we make this a reality or is it feasible? Is that kind of how like the balance of the relationship works?

Yeah, or sometimes it's like the meaning or the, because her, Grain works in so many different levels.

And so it's not, you know, with food, there's obviously, okay, ultimately it needs to be a delicious dish.

And that requires it to have certain things happen, timing, temperature, you know, cooking methods, all of those things figured out.

Like...

For the zensai, right? Oh, okay.

Which is our second course.

I can see it, but I'm curious to what you both see in how it's grown in a way that, more guests and younger guests are coming and really appreciating, not just going to an iconic spot, which is great, but also finding the spots that are done with love and intention and care and are telling a story essentially.