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I hope you enjoy the conversation and let's get right into it.

Casey Michelle, welcome to the Values and Interests podcast here at Carnegie Council.

Thanks so much for joining us.

Thanks so much, Kevin.

I'm sure you've picked up on this as well.

between what an andrew carnegie of 1900 1910 1915 was saying about his roles and responsibilities back to the united states and what the figures we have now are saying whether it's a musk a zuckerberg a bezos a pichai and others the difference as far as i can tell could not be starker could not be clearer and is one of those dynamics among a number of others that presents a clear dividing line from what we have now versus what we had then

yeah I think the – We reckon with this a lot at Carnegie Council in terms of the legacy of Andrew Carnegie, and we don't want this to be an ethical car wash for Andrew today.

I'd highly recommend any of my listeners to read David Nassau's biography on Andrew Carnegie, which is just fantastic and quite forthcoming on challenges and successes.

All right, good evening, everybody.

My name is Kevin Maloney, and I serve as Chief Public Affairs Officer here at Carnegie Council.

So I'm honored to welcome you all to the latest convening in the Council's Values and Interests event series, which aims to interrogate the relationship between morality and power in the practice of geopolitics.

So tonight's fireside chat will feature Carnegie Council President Joel Rosenthal in conversation with Freedom House CEO Jamie Fly.

So Jamie recently joined Freedom House after a multi-decade career working across the foreign policy, democracy, and humanitarian spaces, where he served as CEO of Radio Free Europe, held leadership roles at the German Marshall Fund, and worked within the George W. Bush

administration at the National Security Council.

So before passing the program over to Joel, because we're at Carnegie Council, I wanted to provide a bit of an ethical framing for tonight's conversation.

So I want to share a short quote from Nobel laureate Amartya Sen from his 1999 article, Democracy as a Universal Value.

Welcome to this edition of Ethical Articles.

In this series, listeners have the opportunity to hear audio versions of selected articles from Carnegie Council's team of experts.

In this episode, Senior Program Associate Kathleen Egan reads our Ethics on Film review of The Brink of War.

The Brink of War, written and directed by Michael Russell Gunn, zooms in on a specific moment in history, an encounter between the world's superpowers and the ensuing 30 hours of intense, gripping debate on nuclear weapons, their use, their deployment, and their utility.

The call to action at the end of the movie is to support leaders who value diplomacy over destruction.

For such an interesting story, the final message feels a bit tepid, given the urgent need for renewed political power behind nuclear reduction.

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