Carlos Gracie

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... professor, Rodrigo Medeiros, learned from Carlson Gracie Sr., he learned from Carlos Gracie Sr., and he learned from Maeda, who was the judo guy that came to Brazil.

And of course, there's been many techniques that go back to the gladiator times that they've copied and borrowed, but it's been a clear path to the beginning of where we s- where I am to where it started, and it's something that we are proud of, and a lot of martial arts don't have that.

Right, and like we have the hierarchy in the church, and you have to have...