Carlos Dada

Yes.

Carlos Dada from El Faro said something really profound in, surprisingly enough, a Reuters memorial to the update.

But he said, the craft of journalism and the business of journalism is getting so far apart that I don't recognise that relationship.

And as soon as I read that, I thought this is exactly what you're talking about which is that and what gives me hope is that the craft now I think is being practiced by younger journalists in smaller newsrooms doing incredible work my my area 404 media which I keep talking about I just think wouldn't have existed five years ago and