Camille Dungy

Yes.

And Camille Dungy was also on the podcast because I think me and Camille met because of you.

And I love it when you talk about Camille in your books or when she offers some of her resources because I feel like I'm talking with both of you in the room.

So I'll actually put a link to Camille's episode in the show notes under your first episode, too.

... reviews and comments.

So we had TangledSDD, um, on their Camille Dungy episode, which was a long time ago now.

We did a best of in December too.

Oh, that's a good point, yeah.

So I will end up giving an essay about...

I'm just thinking of Camille Dungy has an essay in there about visiting slave castles in Africa.

And so then I'll ask the writer, the reader and the writer, to think of a time that they went to a place that was important in their own ancestry

or something like that.