So how do you deal with it when you have someone come to you that genuinely is curious and wants some transformational help?

I think this is the question that most people have to struggle through.

And it's a continual process.

There's never a proper answer to this question, unfortunately.

It's always a process and you have to meet people where they're at.

But my approach has always been an appeal to logic.

Let's not even talk about science.

So what's your thought on that, and how do you approach that?

But anyway, I could digress forever.

Yeah, well, I mean, that's exactly, this type of thinking is exactly how Ilya Pragozhin won the Nobel, you know.

He grew up in a world where the arrow of time, and this is still the case in all of the dynamics formulas, basically, is that the arrow of time is reversible.

There's no, but, you know, he asked the question, well, how can that be? You know, we experience time moving in one direction.

How can it be that it's reversible? And so, you know, the science was born out of the philosophical underpinnings.

And I think there's so much to be earned from a philosophical perspective.

and integrating that into scientific exploration.

So we're just going to put a pin on that.