Caleb Ewan

And I, I think it ties into a general theme of what I'm trying to build here in the podcast, which is, um, nurturing those that weren't the obvious talents.

You know, if, if, for example, you know, years ago you gave Caleb Ewan any kind of training, he was always gonna be one of the best sprinters in the world.

He was from a young age.

Um, and- You know, I'm not discounting, you know, the coaching that he had, but when you have these mega talents, you know, I would say back in, you know, our era, we raced in a very similar era.

But that's a classic element in and around, you know, you – Tell me the five people you hang around with and I'll tell you about yourself.

And so if excellence is just the base level, I was talking to Caleb Ewan about this the other day, if excellence is just basic, then you can only go up from there.

And so your version of excellence, just by being a little bit younger or maybe not as experienced, you didn't have the opportunity because you're just in that bubble and surrounded by people who...

They just have an expectation that you're going to be like, if you're going to be as good as me, do.

Yeah, absolutely.

And in fact, you know, again, talking about influence, Caleb Ewan, who... an Australian champion, Tour de France multi-stage winner, let alone many other races that he's won and jerseys he's worn.

I saw him on Sunday.

Trish and I were out around the race on Sunday, the Tour Down Under, and Caleb said, again, part of his life goals and ambitions was to be able to commentate with the legend himself.