Cal Henderson

And I kind of get the question I want to get to is that You know, we see these sort of adoption cycles or hype cycles, if you like, for that common term we use, sort of come and go.

And I remember I was having a conversation with Cal Henderson, who is the ex-CEO of Slack, actually co-founder of Slack.

And I was doing a roundtable with him and I said, so where are we on that kind of classic hype cycle? He said, Matt, they haven't created one big enough yet.

So if you think about that, isn't this just another, you know, a cloud hype cycle and it'll come and go, that kind of thing? Or is this different? What makes it different? And why is that really driving a rethink on infrastructure in general?