Cactus to Clouds Trail

Mm-hmm.

Like Grand Canyon rim to rim, Appalachian Trail four-state challenge, um, Cactus to Clouds, you know.

D- an- really any mountain, um, where there's a certain point, I think, [laughs] your brain just has to, like, go on autopilot.

Like, you're...

Um, because not only do I, you know, have I...

You kind of experienced that a little bit yourself, but, but helping other people through that.

But for me, um, I would say, like, Cactus to Clouds was a, was a big one.

That was a barn burner.