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Sep 9, 2026

Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:07
So, um, as, as you know, there's 13 different symptom clusters, which has roughly 35 different symptoms, so that lit up for CIRS.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:14
There was also the biomarker testing, so C4a, MMP-9, TGF beta 1, MSH.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:20
All of that lit up too, as well as the HLA haplotype and the VCS contrast sensitivity test.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:25
So all that together confirmed the CIRS diagnosis, also paired obviously with the mold exposure in, in the home.

24 MINS LATER

Amy MyersHOST
32:46
... you know, for what you feel comfortable, walk us through what they are, and more importantly, what each of them is telling us?
Ariana ThackerGUEST
32:54
Yeah, absolutely.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
32:55
Um, so we look at C4a, um, which is a complement, and it's tied to the biotoxin illness pathway.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
33:02
Um, it also lights up with bacteria as well.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:14
There's also the biomarker testing.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:16
So C4A, MMP9, TGF-beta-1, MSH, all of that lit up too, as well as the HLA haplotype and the VCS contrast sensitivity test.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:25
So All that together confirmed the SIRS diagnosis, also paired obviously with the mold exposure in the home.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
8:33
So that's how we came to terms with that.

24 MINS LATER

Amy MyersHOST
32:39
And so for those not familiar with Dr. Shoemaker's labs, I know it's a lot, but can you, you know, for what you feel comfortable, walk us through what they are and more importantly, what each of them is telling us?
Ariana ThackerGUEST
32:54
Yeah, absolutely.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
32:55
So we look at C4A, which is a complement and it's tied to the biotoxin illness pathway.
Ariana ThackerGUEST
33:03
It also lights up with bacteria as well.
Christian JenskiGUEST
12:13
And then you activate these alternate complement pathways of inflammation.
Christian JenskiGUEST
12:18
That's where the C4A and the C3A come in.
Christian JenskiGUEST
12:21
And what else is going on?
Aaron HartmanHOST
12:22
Well, part of that activation of the complement, like you mentioned, is that you start chewing up the complement system and create C4A.
Aaron HartmanHOST
12:29
I think that the thing that's really interesting about that is that in the rheumatology world, they've known for years, like you can check a C3, a C4, a CH50, which is a test for the totality of your complement immune system.
Aaron HartmanHOST
12:40
When those are low, It means you're being chewed up by something.
Aaron HartmanHOST
13:03
Now, I've actually tested lots of my patients on this, and I will say the CH50 is high, but I've not seen C3 and C4 levels consumed by patients.
Aaron HartmanHOST
13:11
That's more the Lyme stuff.

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