C. Fred Bergsten

Very, very interesting stuff.

And when I was a very young intern, I was 21 at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, then the Institute for International Economics, then run by Fred Bergsten.

Now I think run by somebody, Posen, I think, but I'm not quite sure he's running it right now, but it's... has expanded hugely.

But in 1985, Jeffrey Schott and Gary Hofbauer had just published a case, a book of 103 case studies on how to do economic sanctions, basically how to use blackmail and economic force to get what you want.