BSG Chemie Leipzig

Yeah

... and Chemie Leipzig as, as examples there, and there, you know, there are a lot of...

Based on the fact that when the DDR East German Oberliga disbanded, they all kind of got lost-

Mm

And some Germans were s- would say, "Okay, you know, [sighs] we, we don't have VfB Leipzig anymore.

Uh, you know, we can't really get behind Lokomotive Leipzig or Chemie Leipzig, so it's okay that we have this club." Um, what happened with EFZ- 1.

FC Union Berlin's promotion is that erased a lot of that goodwill because for then we had an East German club that had a tradition which was somewhat pro-Western.

This was the club of Nina Hagen, for example, and, and also her stepfather, Rolf Biermann, Biermann.