Bryony Worthington, Baroness Worthington

He's got a really big global view, so it's really interesting to interrogate someone who's got a really big-picture view of the world.

He's also got his own podcast, Cleaning Up, which he co-hosts with Bryony Worthington, uh, and they have loads of great guests on there.

And the conversation was really interesting.

It left me feeling that if you think very clearly about the world, there are, there's lots of progress still to be made, and we can have a clean energy and tech future, but we have to be careful to avoid some of the pitfalls along the way, which is what really gets his goat, I think, when he thinks that there is effort being wasted on, you know, a particular technology, which for fundamental reasons isn't really going to deliver what's been promised.

But, um, it, it was a really interesting answer, thank you.

And my final question, just, uh, because you- as you say, one of the things, well, that is also a human thing is, is having agency, being able to do something.

And one of the things you do is you've got your podcast, Cleaning Up, which you host with, uh, Bryony Worthington.

And so I just wondered what...

It feels like the economics are now pointing us in the right direction to the stage where it wouldn't make any economic sense to go back to the old ways.

Hello, I'm Bryony Worthington, and this is Cleaning Up.

My guest this week is Professor Peter Cox, Professor of Climate Systems Dynamics at University of Exeter and Director of the Global Systems Institute.

Peter's a theoretical physicist and a former lead author of the IPCC Climate Reports.