Bryce Wilkinson

National forecasting four billion, debt falling to thirty-nine point five percent of GDP by 2030, '31.

Now, Dr Bryce Wilkinson is a senior fellow at the New Zealand Initiative, of course, and former Treasury director, and he's back with us.

Bryce, morning to you.

Yes, good morning, Michael.

Nice to talk to you, Bryce.

Appreciate it.

Dr. Bryce Wilkinson, senior fellow at the New Zealand Initiative.

We'll, um, do some more numbers with Nicola Willis when she's with us after seven thirty.

INZ was there, and I think I saw a story and stuff about it.

David made the case, of course, for ACT, but he made the case especially against the context of National, Labour, New Zealand First, The Greens, Te Pāti Māori, all coming up with versions of interventionist policy, and he linked it to the fall of the New Zealand dollar in international currency markets, something that our colleague Bryce Wilkinson just wrote up in The Herald, and David Seymour referred to Bryce's piece in The Herald, which was very nice of him.

So, in a way, what he made was, he made the case actually that For national voters who once upon a time believed in sound, steady economic policy, freedom of contract, secure property rights and all the good stuff, they have lost their home in national.

So maybe these voters are not actually splitting their votes, but they've actually deserted their party, their former party, because they feel better at home now in another party that doesn't do this kind of nonsense.

And that's why Donald Trump is so interested in it.

But John Howard, just to John Howard.

John Howard is a lovely colleague, great guy to have around, except he is also very gloomy.

He is very gloomy.

At the moment it's about 80.

Very good piece in The Herald this morning by Bryce Wilkinson, why is the New Zealand dollar falling? Have a read of it and educate yourself on it.

It's well worth it.

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