Mm-hmm.

I wonder what that entails.

I wonder how those people got to that point and, um, and what that means.

And so, you know, had those thoughts, but kind of always put it in the back of my head, never really took it seriously in terms of a career path.

Um, and it wasn't until, uh, my wife and I relocated across the country.

We, we moved from the Midwest out here to, to the West Coast, San Diego.

And, uh, I got a full-time position, uh, with an organization pretty quickly.

Mm-hmm.