Bruce Timm

I wanted to say I think that's one of the things that make...

It's really something that Paul Dini and Bruce Timm came up with when they completely changed...

Mr.

Freeze and gave him like an actual like the the person you know is Mr.

Freeze with his wife Nora Frozen that he can't revive Is is not the original cut he was originally just a doofus and Paul Dini and Bruce Timm Kind of gave him a you know a sad story and that's what made his character work And I think a lot of good Batman villains and villains in general work especially well if they have some kind of emotional like

human connection type of story from their past that people can relate to.

It's kind of like DC treats their villains the way that fucking Marvel treats Spider-Man exclusively.

of Clayface for their show.

I do think it's important, actually, though, to point out about Clayface in the animated series, the 90s animated series, because that is what this really takes from to the point that if you stay to the end of the credits, you can see there is a special thank you to Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and Marv Wolfman.

The first two were the creators of the animated series.

The third was one of the writers for Clayface's introduction to Parter, Feet of Clay, which if you did watch growing up, that was probably your introduction of body horror because it got, for a Saturday morning cartoon, it was pretty freaking graphic.

I was giving them credit for something.

I guess you can give credit to Bruce Tim or something.

I don't know.

I mean, Bruce is still alive at the end of that, and he's still pushing Terry to be like, all right, go out there and be Batman.

A fantastic example...

I think of that is Bruce Timm.

Bruce Timm, obviously a great dude who worked on Batman, Justice League Unlimited, all those shows, but then he also did work on Batman Keep Crusader for Netflix, which is...

Is it Netflix? uh which wherever it's from and it's fucking dreadful you know and he did a load of other like uh crossover like not crossover movies but movies later on like Batman and Harley Quinn which is it's just a it just feels a bit more perverted like the Bruce Timm perversion things was kind of taken off the off the ropes and he just went a little bit too hard with it it's like okay all right Fair enough.

So there's that worry as well, at least from my perspective, like these guys coming back, will they have the constraints on to kind of make it good and all that stuff? At the very least, it'll be interesting to see what's done with it.

And like they say, to give a definitive end in some form to Transformers Animated as it never really...

Yeah.

That was the trial by fire to be what it meant to be on a Bruce Timm-led show.

You had to expect it.

He loved what I did for him on Crisis and Justice League Doom.

And this movie is said to be inspired by, and if you remember the end credits, it does acknowledge...

Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, who were responsible for Batman, the animated series.

But in my mind, I think of Basil Carlo as Clayface.

And he was the actor, the character of Matt Hagen, before Batman, the animated series.

In the aughts, Jon Stewart was used as the Green Lantern character in the animated Justice League TV show that spun off from the success of Batman the Animated Series and Superman the Animated Series.

Here, though, co-creator Bruce Timm decided that his 70s Black Panther roots were irrelevant and reinvented him as a no-nonsense Marine, a backstory that would retroactively be given to the comics character as well.

And while this is disappointing, this version of Stewart as a consummate professional, disciplined, in control, and driven by an unequivocal sense of justice who in push displays the roaring emotion just kept in check under the surface, is the iconic one that still defines the character.

Meanwhile, as our relationship with authority figures changed and the comics audience matured, so did the depiction of the Guardians of the Universe, who steadily became colder and more Machiavellian, as well as riven by catastrophic infighting that created rival powerful factions and offshoots.