Bruce Shelley

Such a wild time, so really interesting.

Something else that's interesting is that, uh, Civilization was designed together with Bruce Shelley, so it's not just Sid Meier.

It's also Bruce Shelley.

Uh, and he comes from Avalon Hill.

That's where he worked before.

And, you know, that's the same company that did Civilization board game, so yeah, a lot of overlap there.

Um, and later on, uh, Bruce Shelley is famous for, um, being in charge of, uh, Age of Empires, so you know, Age of Empires, sort of a Civilization-type game as well, um, but more real time.

And actually, they tried to go real time with Civilization at first as well, but it didn't really work.