Bruce Irvin

Did people know at that point what they were building while they had a crappy record? I can't sit here and pretend that I remember that.

They got Russell in the next draft, 12, in the third round, along with, oh, by the way, Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner.

The guy came out like gangbusters.

And I just – right now with Borgonzi, things to figure out.

Like Travis Kelsey for years, this is actually a great equivalent, is that, yeah, they're in 12 personnel, two tight end looks, but he's a receiver.

You know how they use him and move him? That's a man of worry for the defense, is that, I mean, he's more like Bruce Irvin, what the Seahawks had, how is they use him than he is like camp chancellor or old Thomas, you know, and those kinds of see, I just using Seahawks guys where he is more of a box defender.

And I don't mean that in a bad way, but it's just more like he is a, a linebacker that is more moonlighting as a DB, as opposed to the other way where Kyle Hamilton say is a safety that also can sometimes play like a linebacker.

It's the other way.

I would consider a pass rusher, Justin Tug, JPP, Michael Bennett, Cliff Averill.

These guys, being in those rooms, Bruce Irvin, Khalil Mack, my team here at the Raiders, the one thing I will say is...

Yes.

If you're in the typical position, most big dogs or the alpha males that get it done, they be like, hey, we don't want it on the secondary.

Yeah.

So I played Seattle with both my other teams that I played with the Eagles and the Raiders one time against, well, Bruce was on the team at the, at the, at the time then as well.

But yeah, I mean, I think when you play your former team, you just want to do well.

Yeah.

yeah,

always wanted to do well against them.

Now I got to know, did you ever have to go pass pro against Bruce Irvin? Because if you did, they're deporting you to do the hell of a

job

You get like, I walked in a room.

It was Bobby Wagner, KJ, right? Bruce Irvin.

Okay.

That's like clearly not going to beat any of them out, but then it's, you know, brought coil and Mike Mo and I'm like, yes, where do, okay.

He was a problem.

Yeah, Bobby Wagner, Bruce Irvin, Studs.

They've had some

dudes.

They've been here at edge rusher before, too, outside of that.

Remember when they brought in Frank Clark that one year? They've had a couple years where they brought back Bruce Irvin because they didn't have enough bodies there when guys got hurt.

This feels very similar, and it wouldn't surprise me.

If it trends this way, maybe Joe doesn't have the juice because of the foot.

times.

You scouted Chandler Jones, Bruce Irvin, Melvin Ingram, and Quentin Copels, and you decided to take Quentin Copels? No shot at Q.

Q's a nice guy.

I've seen him, you know, he's doing, he's working his way into the industry, but again, that's what you decided.