Bruce Greyson

Others are attempting to do that as well.

And I mean, you look at Gary Habermas's work and some of J.P. Moreland's work and work of people like Sam Parnia and Bruce Grayson and, you know, Pim van Lommel in over in Europe, people who are just looking at things objectively and trying to make an argument of what is true based on the evidence rather than based on their presuppositions.

Where do you think, Michael, that this evidence gets us? I mean, I'm sure there's some Christians that would love for this just to be like, oh, look, here's Christianity confirmed through these near-death experiences.

Where do you think when you look at what you've seen with near-death experiences, it seems like we're pushing beyond there being just a material world and there is something more like heaven.

Yeah.

Well, Colin can remember, we had I- Ian Stevenson on our board, and Emily Cook, and Bruce Grayson, and, and they were totally focused on just conscious- survival of consciousness.

And we had to make a decision as a group.

We came to a point to where we realized to undertake both of these at the same time was so huge, and we weren't prepared really at, at that point in time.

and all that changed november 10 2008 i went into coma very rapidly over just a few hours from a severe case of bacterial meningoencephalitis that's the worst kind of meningitis you can have it's terribly destructive uh usually deadly uh or at least leaves you completely maimed in fact there's a medical case report on my medical records for anybody interested And it came out in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Diseases, September 2018.

It's by Dr. Surbhi Khanna, Lauren Moore, and Bruce Grayson.

And the main conclusions in that report, first of all, if you read it as a medical professional, you'll realize that brain was in horrible trouble.

And this is what haunted me as I was putting the details together in the months after my own coma.

And that's why people can have life reviews.

They can see birth, death, everything in between.

And that is a shocking thing to realize when we're used to living through earth time, through the kind of plotting, know moment by moment existence in our lives and yet uh when people describe um these events in near-death experiences they seem more real and more interconnected and the fact that you can witness your whole life at once is also an astonishing kind of reality that's very different from what we live through here in fact uh I can talk about it a little later if you want, but life reviews, a paper by Bruce Grayson that came out in 2021 talked about 700 life reviews, which happened in about half of all NDEs.

And in this analysis of 700, he said roughly a third of them live their entire life, the entire life.

That's an atypical feature.

For example, if you use the Grayson scale, Dr. Bruce Grayson at UVA came up with a 32-point scale that measures how deep and profound and... phenomenally uh important and impressive these near-death experiences are on such a scale my experience rates you know among the top two percent or so of all experiences but it still has some unusual features and one of them was this amnesia the fact that during the coma experience itself i had no memories of earth or this universe or evan alexander's life on my religious beliefs none of my personal memories were there none of my language was there None of the scientific knowledge gained for more than 54 years of the scientific lifestyle.

Every bit of that was gone.

It was a complete empty slate, a tabula rasa.

So straight away, you can see that near-death experiences are getting mixed up with a whole lot of other transcendental states.

And a colleague of mine, Sam Parnia, and Bruce Grayson, who you know well, I'm sure, and this one other author are going to produce a pamphlet and publish it.

And what we'll be saying is near-death experience means an actual death experience.

That means if nobody came, you would have died.

The problem of consciousness is one of the most significant in all of philosophy.

That's why Bruce Grayson started his research.

He said, "I had a patient tell me the tie I was wearing yesterday when she was in a coma."

Right, and what's wrong with that? We have this thing called quantum entanglement, which does not depend on how close we are or how connected we are to something at any given moment.

Well said.

Right? So, and this is, you know, um, Dr.

Bruce Grayson, the psychiatrist, you know, from, um, UVA's Department of Perceptual Studies, you know, this is what they've studied there for decades and decades, right? How do we explain, right, situations where consciousness seems to not be bound to this vessel? And, you know, every spiritual tradition says, you know, you're, you're here for Earth school.

Mm-hmm.

And the reason these two things tied together in relation to your question is because at one point, I did come across a paper Richter...

Written by Dr. Bruce Grayson, who's very well known, uh, when it comes to near-death research, and he wrote a paper called Seeing People Unknown To Have Died.

He wrote this paper in 2010, and in that paper, there are experiences described which are called peak-in-darian experiences.

Now, that's a reference to es- essentially what I just described, except it's specifically in relation to near-death experiences.

There are six episodes in total, and DOPS is included in episode one about near-death experiences.

And then with Dr. Bruce Grayson and episode six with Dr. Jim Tucker about the research on kids' past life memories.

Okay.

Yeah.