I used to remember being on call with you, Bruce, worried about going to the supermarket, you know? [laughs]

I suppose you were covering for me, Tim.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you for that.

Um, an- another kind of unusual thing that I did during my residency was to do a PhD pretty much, I did a four-year PhD pretty much in parallel with the residency, and that's something that isn't allowed or isn't desirable anymore.

And I think that's a, a kind of ex- was an example of why you can't do both things well.

So I did both things badly, unfortunately.

[chuckles] Wow.