British national identity

But it was actually the institution of monarchy.

So if we separate Britishness from this, of course, Britishness is very highly implicated in its head of state.

But if we look at the institution that Charles physically embodies and profits from hugely, great privilege for him really to be hanging out in wet October in the Bahamas.

I'm sure he'd

Harrison and Rupert and the team are putting a lot of effort into making sure that it's very clear that we understand demographics, but we also legislate very fairly and we're all equal and wonderfully made in God's image kind of attitude towards humans.

So I guess my question for you being to the right of even Restore in that sense of, do you want to legislate in terms of DNA and percentage of English and Britishness?

Well, the reality is people know what they are and what they're not.

Like I said, Kezia there said her father wasn't British.

I said he's not Anglo-Saxon.

And Russell, what I want to go back to you with is you are essentially saying that ethnicities and nations and races don't exist.

No, what I'm saying is we're talking about Britishness.

You're now talking about ethnicity.

So identity integrationists.

So Theo summarised that as they see Christianity as fundamental to Britishness and want to defend the nation's Christian heritage from what they see as invasive and threatening influences.

And then belief integrationists who wanted to see Christianity integrated with Britishness, but for the most part, because they wanted to promote the Christian faith rather than preserve Christian values.

So I guess if we were to think about, just because it's helpful sometimes to think a little bit about the kind of person who might fit into one of those categories.

Yes.

And so they loved to travel and they'd take us all along with them.

It was an immensely... immensely privileged childhood in in the sense that I got to experience and live in the most amazing cultures at a very young age and uh and then it also provided quite an odd juxtapositional uh childhood in the sense that my relationship to because I am English and British my relationship to Englishness and Britishness is quite strange and also my relationship to these other cultures is quite strange you know I've got I've got sense memories around Mexican culture but I am not Mexican and that's not my culture and yeah it's made for I would say it's made for quite a like disjointed sense of self which I think lends itself quite naturally to character comedy I enjoy diving into other people and other things partly because that's what I spent the majority of my childhood doing was

yeah starting in

a new place

But then weirdly, almost every summer whilst we were living abroad, we'd come back and we'd see our grandparents and things like that.

So I would also get pockets of...

I'd get pockets of memories of Britishness, things like Tracy Beaker as a child and things like that.

And then I would say the big one would be like Monty Python.

There are a lot of people in the United Kingdom who don't feel English.

however we define Englishness, right? The most important priority is a positive message about Britishness and an idea about what it means beyond the twee nonsense that we get, you know, the Paddington and drinking cups of tea and, you know, the kind of thing.

A positive idea about Britishness and a willingness to say that what's hitherto been unsayable, which is that if you're from overseas and you've come to live in this country, or you're from an immigrant background and your parents came from overseas, if you want to live here, then you have to abide by certain expectations and you also have to like it.

And if you don't like it, then you have to leave.

And that the most fundamental aspect of that is deporting people who commit crimes, right? It's the biggest no brainer in, in public life.

I don't think so.

They're trying to define Britishness and Englishness and, you know, all of that sort of rubbish.

Former Conservative Home Secretary who made those comments? Yes, exactly.

And that's why she's former.