days yeah

yeah and there's a software mod you could do and so that's really where i cut my teeth learning like networking and things like that because you connect two xboxes together to like transfer files um so you learn the differences between two different you know types of cables this is a crossover cable this is a you know Um, and so that's kind of where I cut my teeth, but I found, I enjoyed, uh, making kind of the software a lot of times was like the thing I would spend a lot of time on instead of the business sometimes.

Um, and so, but it was, it was pre iPhone days.

Right.

And so software development wasn't super cool or it wasn't, I guess I didn't know you could study that in school or college, right.

And get a degree in computer science and, And it's hard to believe now, but back then I just didn't know.

And so I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, what I wanted to be when I grew up.

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