Brian Epstein

Even going into, like, the sort of the, the rap years of it.

Bit of a Brian Epstein type, was he?

Uh, well, way, way, way, way better than him.

Right.

She was topping the bill, and they were the support act.

And they were in Sheffield that night, and they dashed to the studio in Manchester, and I interviewed them along with their manager, Brian Epstein, and Gerry Marsden.

Gerry and the Pacemakers actually went on to become the first band to have three consecutive number ones, not The Beatles, but Gerry and the Pacemakers.

Um, and when I interviewed The Beatles, no, I had no idea.

Uh, so it's not available, but I happened to have read it.

And in that there's a story about how, um, Because Brian Epstein died when they were in India, didn't he? Yeah.

Or just before.

Or just before.

Nickel, who replaced Ringo when he had to have his tonsils out in Hong Kong.

Brian Epstein.

Steinstein,

whatever.

Their first manager worked in the record store.

So this is like Brian Epstein and The Beatles.

This is-

Was it Jefferson Holt? Because I know he's the guy that, uh, come the third album, uh, Can't Get There from Here, they mention, "Lawyer Jeff knows the lowdown," and they're referring to Jefferson Holt, who had been their manager.

You know, the gap between this public persona that he had, and he was not a nice person, he had rather misogynistic and anti-Semitic tendencies.

He used to torment the late Brian Epstein, who was both gay and Jewish.

I don't think that's true.

You don't know him, and I don't know him, and I've never read those accusations that you're saying.

I mean, he would...

He would mock Brian Epstein and use Jew as a joking derogative term, but that doesn't make him anti-Semitic.

Ah, thank you.

I'm really glad that you clarified that.

I was thinking, why would Paul McCartney pull this? The only two things I thought that were negative on Paul were, they said that magic, magical mystery tour was his idea.

yeah it flopped and then because brian epstein was there there was nobody to say no which probably was true but he probably didn't want that to be part of the mythology

he he didn't want to be identified with tragical history tour is that yeah

and the funny the other funny thing is is where the uh he says that paul coaxed everybody back and then quit in the papers which is true but paul probably doesn't want that to be part of the history