Mm.

"What does it mean to give consent?" Or, or if you're advising a friend on something that's happened to them, where does your information sort of come from? And I find that that's where people's knowledge drops off the cliff a little.

So that's sort of where I try to fill in those gaps and say, "Well, let's look at what consent is.

Let's look at how it applies." Even definitions, Gary, around, and, you know, we're getting a lot of media reporting with, with terminology around sexual crime.

People have a familiarity with all these terms, but they're, they're not quite sure what they mean.

Hmm.

So the girls program very much started out, um, as an extension, I guess, of that profiling stuff that I'd done, and, and the more I studied the mindsets of these offenders, the more I could see that there was, there was some real gold nuggets in amongst all that, that you could impart to those who they targeted.

And also, a lot of the profiling information that comes out, and, and I've done my own stuff, and I've read a whole lot of other stuff, um, it, it, it challenges the conditioning that a lot of girls and women would have had with regards-