Brendan Mullen

I mean, even when she later tells the story about one of those robbery heist type situations, I think the quote that she would share with everybody is like, listen, mother sticker, this is a fuck up.

And like, I think it indicates a little bit, certainly the way she told that story later about, maybe a slightly performative flair that you're she was really doing the dangerous stuff so it's not like stolen you know outlaw valor or whatever she was like she she even said that she was looking for some sort of spiritual fix um when they were doing the crimes and you know i don't know there's an american music club song where they talk about something like saints who are only holy when they sin and i think of judy as like this great as you guys already said trickster archetype in that in that way

yeah i think that kind of like dyadic quality that you're highlighting it's all over her music and it's like all over her performance of herself for as long as she's alive you know like these two things she holds them at the same time they kiss you're making me think also about those rebel characters that you're bringing up in, you know, we, we actually have a good amount of Judy talking about her music, like in the BBC sessions, she introduces a lot of the songs and we have that audio in interviews.

Sometimes she'll talk about the songs, but whenever she talks about those rebel characters, she says that they're about these men in her life who she's loved, who've maybe wronged her in some way.

And I think it's in the New York Times obit that they ran in 2020.

There's some quote where somebody says, she wasn't like Joni and Carole King and Linda.

She was more like, and then they list three guys.

Which is like, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

So when somebody who was down there regularly was found dead, it kind of just sent shockwaves through all of us.

And we talked to Brendan Mullen, who was the owner.

and he decided that he was going to hire a bodyguard, a huge guy named Tiny, who would kind of just try and make sure that the regulars that were there got in and people that didn't feel right didn't get in.

We also had this thing where we knew we were vulnerable, so we oftentimes tried to go together.

And then there was the thing happening in a basement on Cherokee Avenue.

On August 18th, 1977, a Scottish promoter named Brendan Mullen opened a club called The Mask in the basement of the Shane building at 1655 North Cherokee, a block off Hollywood Boulevard.

The germs played there.

X, the weirdos, the screamers, the bags, the Dickies, the Go-Go's before they were the Go-Go's.

But I'm trying to remember how, Because Screamin' Jay was living on Argyle for a brief period in time and he played at Club Lingerie.

So it must have been some mastermind with Brendan Mullen, I believe.

And I guess I'm trying to remember how we got the cramps, we roped the cramps into it.

I can't remember how that all happened anymore.