Brendan Keeler

Let me, that's a great segue to part two of the Oracle question.

I'm going to reframe it with the Brendan Keillor history of Oracle so that you have a perspective on how do we get to this place? And so Oracle, the database company, 1979, auspicious year, as that is also when Epic was founded.

That is what software is.

The big book that everyone talks about is a great read, but it's like really focused on how did they muscle their way through things and these aggressive sales tactics as they sold database technology and oftentimes oversold database technology.

My thesis is they're okay eating that because it powers cloud and then thus powers their build.

There's some synergies.

So with that very lengthy history of Oracle as told by Brendan Keillor prompt, are your answers changed at all? Or are you sticking to your guns?

We can't see our audience raise their hands, but I imagine more than a couple of you use cloud code or co-work or whatnot to have a raucous good time of building fun web apps.