Brenda Chapman

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It is, you're correct, an original story from the first director, Brenda Chapman.

I'm excited to hear about that part of the history.

It sounds like maybe there was some drama during-

So first off, as I already mentioned, Brave is Pixar's first fairy tale-

Mm-hmm

... with Pixar's first princess, directed at least initially by Pixar's first female director, Brenda Chapman.

So that's a lot of firsts and a lot of girl-related things.

You know, in the service of storytelling, obviously, but, but, but there was desire to push that, that technology forward.

Roger and Brenda boarded that sequence.

Yes, Roger Allers and Brenda Chapman, yeah.

And, you know, they, they said, "Wouldn't it be cool to, like, fly the camera up to the chandelier and fly it around?" And, and all this.

And it was Brian McEntee, who was our art director at that time, who said, "Yeah, it's a lot easier in the ballroom because y- you've got all these hard geometric shapes that you can just map the color onto instead of organic chicken feet trees, and, and it'll be a lot easier." And it turned out that was, that was the case.

So Kevin Lima's interesting from, uh, for n- a number of reasons.

He's married to, to Brenda Chapman, who, um, uh, was the writer and director of, of Brave-

Mm-hmm

... and, uh, and The Prince of Egypt, which is obviously a film that we've done on the, on the podcast.