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Bree Groff

Bree Groff

Author of "Today Was Fun: A Book About Work (Seriously)" and workplace culture expert, formerly CEO of change consultancy NOBL.

Sep 14, 2026

31:28
Yeah.
31:28
What I read, right, is that you, what you don't want is chronic inflammation across your body.
31:34
So that means something systemic is happening, chronic stress, um, being in that, like, hypervigilant state of constant anxiety where, according to Microsoft's report, and people are interrupted by a message, a meeting, or a, um, a notification every two minutes during the workday.
31:59
So, like, that sort of chronically, um, threat-detecting state, that's where the trouble is for both our bodies of chronic inflammation and then also our lives of this sort of chronic overworking.
32:15
So I've had teams lots of times work late, work long hours, but the trick was that that wasn't the expectation.
32:24
It wasn't how we planned our projects or our way of doing business.
32:29
Or in other words, I say, if your business runs on over-extracting from your people, taking more than you agreed to in your employment contracts, that's not a healthy business.

17 MINS LATER

49:22
Great.
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17:51
right? Like,
17:54
Um, yeah, you know, like at best you'd be innovative, like labeled the innovation person, like, or hope that, you know, like, oh, that's so-and-so again.
18:02
Um, right.
18:04
So maybe in finance, it's, you're wearing kind of a fun sock that day.
18:11
The reason I think it's important is because no matter what industry you're in, human beings, like people want to feel like themselves.
18:20
There's a cost to putting on a business mask every day, right? And frankly, some people have like they have to put on thicker masks than others, depending on how far they are from like the normative business culture.
18:34
So frankly, if you're like a white dude in finance who likes sports, then you don't have to put on much of a business mask.

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43:47
Those are obvious.

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