So back, back then, you know, maybe a little bit years prior to college, so what was, you know, what was the first hip hop record that, that really impacted you? Was it EPMD, or was it-

It, it, I always say it's a tie, but, uh, just, just a little bit above it i- is Public Enemy, Nation of Millions.

Uh, because it w- it was not just the duality of Chuck D and Flavor Flav, it was the production value.

No, no one, no one bites their style, right?

And then to, to just circle back, that, uh, Strictly Business, that EPMD album was around the same time, and I like that because it was kind of, it was still revolutionary to me, but more like on a chill side.