Talk a little bit about the impact in the aftermath of this, you think.

Well, I mean, this was a huge story for Charlotte.

I mean, it happened in Fort Mill, right here in our listening area, not too far away from Carowinds.

And it's just one of those stories that you have to put yourself back in 1989, or really 1987 is when Jim Baker was first elected.

sort of fell from grace with the jessica hans story but he was indicted in 1988 for uh for fraud and conspiracy and then 1989 was the was the trial but the early 80s uh the heyday of ptl if you lived here then um jim baker and jim and tammy baker were everywhere and you know when when there are stories like this that come along as a born and raised charlatan where i i can um Help people who weren't here understand what was going on and then bring those who were sort of back to that time and period.

You know, we played a lot of audio this morning on the show of WBT reporters and anchors, you know, reporting on that story.

We had John Stokes.

What does that look like and what was that generation point right there?