Black Widow

And then speaking of people in charge, I guess I think that's going to be interesting because we talk about Val and she seems to be running from it.

And there was a line in Black Widow that I think.

was really interesting to me when she was talking with Yelena at ScarJo's grave, where she was just talking with that.

When Yelena says, I want a raise, Val was like, me too, which you could say is a joke, but you could also think of she's underneath somebody as well, and she's working under someone for someone, and that most likely one of the top Dark Avengers would be Norman Osborn.

I just...

I am... concerned, I guess, for her character, for her to be on this sort of bad guy team.

But I guess after watching Black Widow, it makes sort of sense, right? She's like, she does good, but she doesn't necessarily want to be a hero.

And you see how she criticizes the Avengers for everything that they do, of everything like that.

And once again, I've never even seen the character.

I saw the character once and I was at the end of Black Widow.

Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So this story, written and directed here by Coralie Farja, I don't imagine you guys are particularly familiar with her work beyond this film, correct? No.

So her only other feature film, which came out in 2017, was the rape revenge thriller Revenge, which was actually pretty well reviewed.

I haven't seen it, but people said it was a lot smarter and less exploitative than a lot of those kinds of movies tend to be.

And before that, you know, she had gone to film school.

She had found some like-minded individuals at that film school.

She wanted to make genre movies.

And a lot of the people at the film school she went to wanted to make high-minded art movies.

It's great.

It's like, dude, it's like... three and a half hours long it's so long such a long movie and it should be it was great um love that so much and then afterwards i had spider-man far from home which also was like amazing really loved mysterio at being like the bad guy who's like all illusions and drones and stuff like really cool spin on a classic spider-man villain love that one um black widow i kind of thought that i wouldn't like it as much as like i kind of enjoyed it

It wasn't bad at all.

It wasn't great, but it was pretty good.

And especially with her.

I just, like, noticed,

especially during Black Widow, obviously.

But even the other ones, man.

Of course, James Wan of the first two Insidious Conjuring and Aquaman movies, plus Furious 7, which to me ranks definitely in the top three of the Fast and Furious movies.

Eric Pearson wrote the latest script, a name that you might be familiar with for a lot of MCU involvement from Thor Ragnarok, Black Widow, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four First Steps, plus Godzilla v. Kong and Transformers 1.

This movie is loosely inspired by real-life South Korean serial killer cases from the mid-2000s, and the movie follows a crime boss who reluctantly teams with a detective to track down the serial killer who attacked him.

James Wan, I feel like a very, you know, steady studio hand that can go in some pretty dark places as well.

And I've only ever seen her do non-British roles.

Black Widow, she's not British.

No. I'm trying to think, because she's in Oppenheimer, but I...

I didn't see that.

Eternals and this are both huge, but intimate.

And that was, you know, what do you do after endgame to keep things enormous? Black Widow, also a family film.

True.

Yeah, it's true.

Like it is as good as whatever argument it's top tier.

like it's kind of a forgotten gem because this really does feel like it's better than a lot of other mcu movies it came

out in a weird time it was the first full marvel premiere back because i remember i went to the black widow premiere and that was like a fan event because they couldn't really have a lot of people because of the pandemic and then shang chi was when i realized marvel was like ramping back up and this was a full premiere but i feel like we the conversation still hadn't it didn't feel like marvel fully yet think

the movie coalesces so well there's such great themes of family and and integration instead of just repression this this was like it was like and i felt like i just managed to build into this crazy crescendo that earns its journey there and