Black Spades

People, elders in your family might look at you and say, well, how are you going to make money at that? But If they see you're vested and you got your nails dug into it and it's something you really believe, it's also fantastic to them that you're not in the street doing something else.

So, would Zulu Nation be informed by a former leader of the Black Spades who found his knowledge of self and decided to change the vocabulary of how his organization behaves or the Rocksteady crew with a bunch of dudes that were doing the best that they could with what they have in the Bronx and found a creative out, a creative physical outlet via a dance style that is now, it's as American as apple pie, you know, and it's as international as language.

So, you know, it's, uh, It's enormously important to me.

You're a multidimensional person.

And so I can give you the real history and I can tell you, even me being, I don't talk about this 'cause I don't provo- promote violence, being a gang member.

DJ Afrika Bambaataa, I grew up with him from 13, part of the Black Spades.

I was a Young Spade.

So the reality of hip hop, its origin, and to be able, what we meant, and most of us were leaving from negative to positive.