Bioelectronics

And IP Group, as everybody knows, would incentivize IP to IP as they were then to spin companies out.

So I was like rang up and said, "There's this interesting Bioelectronic thing called Nanopore single molecule sensing and they're looking for a CEO for it.

So just a stark contrast, tumbleweed to the beginnings of that ecosystem, and it really was the beginnings.

And you and I have discussed that, that meeting between Alan Hill and Dave Norwood almost didn't happen because as he said on-- when I interviewed him, he got bitten by an adder on the day that he was going to have that dinner at Keeble, and he, he called up to say he wasn't gonna go, only to be told by the person hosting him, "I'm so excited to introduce you to this guy." And so he went all bandaged up with an adder bite, Gordon.