Yes.

And, and then the other argument was no, they were asteroid impacts.

And I think volcanic was winning out.

But, uh, around nineteen sixty, the, um, particularly in Canada, there began to be-- they had these, a lot of these little round lakes, kind of circular lakes.

And it turned out that they began to pick up meteorite fragments around them, a lot of those, that they were obviously meteorite impact craters in Canada.

And that helped to turn the tide that the moon craters really are impact craters.

So once we, once you have that settled, then, uh, there's a lot more credibility to the idea that, uh, as the planets were forming, the-- there would've been a very high impact rate.

How did you work through all the math without a computer? I don't know how to say it any other way.

Yes.

And, and then the other argument was no, they were, uh, asteroid impacts.

And I think volcanic was winning out, but, uh, around 1960, the, um, particularly in Canada, there began to be, they had these, a lot of these little round lakes, kinda circular lakes.

And it turned out that they began to pick up meteorite fragments around them, a lot of those, that they were obviously meteorite impact craters in Canada.

And that helped to turn the tide that the moon craters really are impact craters.

So once we, once you have that settled, then, uh, there's a lot more credibility to the idea that, uh, as the planets were forming, the, there would have been a very high impact rate.

You're getting craters forming all over the place.

How did you work through all the math without a computer? I don't know how to say it any other way.

on how they can go about doing that?

Well, first of all, do anything you can to get in the door.

If it's sweeping up, if it's tweaking the microphones, whatever, get in the building and then You can prove yourself in little ways as you as you go through the early years of your career.

And then you'll get a break.

You'll make yourself you'll get a break because you make a break for yourself.

But you've got to get in the door.

You can't sit there on your couch wishing that you could be in television or radio.

Why is that?