Bill D. Moyers

And he kept that up into the late 1980s, coming to be known as the leader of a conservative minority on California's more liberal Ninth Circuit.

And then, in June 1987, journalist Bill Moyers asked the OG master planner, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell, how much longer he would remain on the court.

You've been here now 15 years.

You're 80 years old.

So basically the insurrection erased that incredible achievement.

And it was really an incredible achievement because I went to Georgia as a reporter, Bill Moyers, another public television journalist asked me to go and cover what was happening in Georgia that fall.

And that's how I ran into Ray and Andrea because they were connected with some of the best organized and most present active campaigners and their strategy was not what you heard or saw from the top down, what you heard a lot of the national media people talking about.

For example, you just can't go into a southern state and walk into a town outside of Atlanta without introductions.

And I had heard afterwards, and I didn't give it that much thought, that it's rarely done.

We rarely have oral histories about the people who do actually the work.

It's always the reporter who, you know, a stranger comes to town or you start out on a journey, some version of that.

But it's not the people who live in those communities and are affected and will still keep living there when the election is over.

So that's not a bad thing but nonetheless That's not the vantage point that I'm primarily coming from, which is much more, how have people acted throughout history to make change in seemingly impossible situations? And what can we learn from that?

One of the essays in the collection, and it's a very rich anthology, is an essay by Bill Moyers.

the progressive story in America, it suggests in MLK style, I guess, that the arc of history always bends somehow towards justice, particularly perhaps in the American sense.

Aren't

I worked

with Bill Moyers, who was very, very close to him.

Yeah.

And it was his press secretary, of course.

We were in journalism school.

So then later he watched an episode of Bill Moyers.

If anybody remembers him, the like PBS investigative journalist from back in the day.

So Bill Moyers had done this story about Christian scientists.

And he did a story about like, this girl is suffering from a rare spinal disorder, but her parents won't let her go to the hospital.

It was his house, dude.

He's hit multiple articles about, like, Primo, like, Michael Primo's in there for folks.

And it was, like, Nalini Sam interview with Bill Moyers.

Wow.

Rest in peace, Bill Moyers, like, icon.

And I was just like,

what? So you actually scared Jeffrey Epstein.