Bill Bragin

And so he was brilliant because what I was trying to get from him is like, well, how do you allow education and setting up of institutions to feed into the wider city? Because you can be quite closed off sometimes when people are, you know, at a particular college or university and just living there, but the knock-on effect.

He was saying how culture is messy and you have to experiment and you have to give breathing space, but it also requires participation, and that's where Bill Bragin came in, and Bill is a friend.

He leads the arts center at New York University Abu Dhabi, and he brings acts from all over the world.

And so again, that role of not only the entertainment side and the, you know, beauty of cultural events, but also educating people about one another.