Bill Atkinson

Now, John Scully, the Apple CEO, he loved the idea and gave Porat the resources to develop it.

And the first thing Porat does is to convince two of Apple's top people, Bill Atkinson and Andy Hertzfeld, to join the project.

And if you were a computer nerd back in those days, Atkinson and Hertzfeld were superstars because when developing the Apple Macintosh, they more or less invented the visual software and the user interface that every computer, tablet and smartphone still uses today.

Now, Porat's idea is much bigger than simply building one Apple branded device.

Hertzfeld said, Scully was on our board.

It was a real betrayal.

Bill Atkinson said, we felt completely betrayed.

Now, Scully attempted to defend his position by saying that he was responsible for Apple, and that he believed that the Newton and General Magic's devices could coexist.

... 'cause there's a, there's a w- there's a point in there that's important to know.

Um, and, uh, so, uh, John Sculley called Bill Atkinson, who was an Apple Fellow, one of very few Apple Fellows, Alan Kay, and Al Alcorn, a few others, and, um, Jef Raskin.

And he said, uh, "Andy, I mean Bill, there's something here that is incredible.

You have to s- meet this guy." So I met Bill Atkinson, and Bill pulled out of his pocket ...

He doesn't remember this, but I do.

[laughs] And of course he died, too, which is like, oh, God, who ...

And he taught us, which is Tony's first job was as this company called General Magic.

General Magic was started by two pretty much entirely ex-Macintosh team and Andy Herzfeld and Bill Atkinson, two of the most distinguished computer scientists started that company.

And they tried to build iPhone in 1994.

If you go to Google and search General Magic and click on images, there will be an image of a patent in which they were anticipating the brick-like phone with all the apps inside it and they thought through everything.

And that's – like, it's to your point – devoid of competition like Kenyatta Jackson was going against the same team and Carrie Wilder looked more twitched and and like a like a more explosive pass rusher

and while I agree with you that like I want to see more in the run game I also don't want that to be the quote-unquote reason I'm not seeing him on the field because he's better against the run than Bill Atkinson right it's like standard wise it's like it feels like we hold these young players to a higher standard to get on the football field than we do these old players who are used to seeing get their asses kicked am I am I tripping with that No, it's true.

And

there's also a role for him, right? Like even if he's not great against the run and maybe Bo Atkinson has a slight edge on third down, he should be on the field like every third down.