Betty Thatcher Oros

And, you know, he and I were so connected for so many years before he got really sick.

But in his last days, he called me and just to catch up with me and had some projects on his mind and it's like are you kidding you know but one thing you were talking about Joe Oros and then I wanted to talk about that briefly I spent a day back in 95 with Joe and Betty Oros in their Santa Barbara home and two incredible people you know just both artists and Betty Oros was the first female automotive designer, Hudson.

Yeah, and didn't she do some incredible sculptures? Oh,

yeah, Joe did all kinds of incredible sculptures.