Betty Eisner

One is the basic harm reduction of people who are using as, you know, information ecosystems continue to kind of democratize people learn about these things through non sort of uh non sort of standardized channels of mainstream media there's a lot of excitement and rightly so you know people start sharing stories of healing of benefit but it leads to a lot of use that might be risky or ways that people could harness these tools, and I'll use that metaphor sort of advisedly, with greater respect if they're aware that there's risks associated with it, not just in the supply side, but also in the sort of way that setting matrix, an important addition to that.

I think Betty Eisner came up with that additional term, sort of, again, the broader environment in which one's situated.

and then so that's one side of it and then the other is i would argue a health promotion side of uh looking at being it's i don't think we need to necessarily reserve these substances just to people who have a diagnosed illness that there's ways to be better than well or to get ahead of trajectories of things like metabolic disease or incipient mental health issues like depression anxiety eating disorders where earlier upstream intervention is probably warranted.

And again, there's lots of opportunity that these can be studied and hopefully deployed for not letting things get to the point of crisis in someone's life, but then they need to seek help for.

He talks about Thiebaud's surrender versus compliance in there.

His assistant was Betty Eisner.

And then, you know, at the center of it was Gerald Hurd.

And then they helped set up or worked with what was called the East Coast Basic Group that did the LSD experiments in the East, in New York.