Better Badges

And it was a dark moment.

And it was very difficult, even from there, to find another printer until a guy who lives in New York now called Jolly McPhee, who ran Better Badges, who printed, pressed up all the pins, the button badges of those days.

People may well have seen him at shows in New York City, Old Hippie.

old now hippie, he looked old to me then, he started printing fanzines and he used jamming as a guinea pig once he bought his own printing press.

And the thing is, we'd been p- printing more and more copies.

The printer I'd always used, Better Badges, um, which was run by Hippy, uh, Jolly, he had, uh, you know, his business plan wasn't working, doing fanzines on credit, so he was now having to charge up front.

Um, I knew I needed to print more copies, and people were starting to call me because they'd heard I'd interviewed Paul McCartney, and they wanted, like, it was an absolutely exclusive.

And, uh, like, lots of people were calling going, "When's this interview coming out?" Um, one of those people suggested that if I was in this much of a dilemma, um, I could sell first rights to a newspaper, get the money to print my, my fanzine, um, which would be more of a magazine at that point.